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Todd responded, "Truth is truth".

Obviously the most attention-grabbing aspect of former NY mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani's interview on Sunday's "Meet the Press" was his casual dismissal of the concept of objective reality.

"Truth is truth", Todd interjected. Which is exactly what it became on social media, within an hour of the show airing.

He added: "When you tell me that he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth". "Trump says I didn't tell them, and the other guy says that he did say it". Comey says you did talk about it. Yet when it comes to Trump and Russiagate, the smirking line among many critics right now vis-a-vis Trump's reluctance to sit down with Mueller is "You have nothing to fear from talking to prosecutors unless you have something to hide". "His disgraceful performance with the Federal Bureau of Investigation makes him the last person who should pontificate on truth".

Instead, Giuliani contradicted months of Trump-team statements that the president was not aware of a $130,000 payment during the 2016 campaign to adult film actress Stormy Daniels, which she says was "hush money" to buy her silence about an alleged affair with Trump. "I don't even know if they knew she was Russian at the time".

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They pointed out that it's in the president's interest to do everything to discredit the Mueller probe in order to stave off impeachment. The longtime Trump consigliere exclaimed, "Truth isn't truth!"

Another problem with giving Rudy the benefit of the doubt on "truth isn't truth" is that he might turn around at any moment and lie his balls off, suggesting that maybe he means it literally - that there's no such thing as objective truth.

In January past year Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway told Todd's programme, Meet the Press, that the White House was entitled to present "alternative facts". Remember? The Times story that reported that was sort of a big deal for many weeks last summer.

While Giuliani admitted that he doesn't know exactly what McGahn has Mueller's team, he said he has a "good sense" of what the White House counsel said from former Trump attorney John Dowd.